Politiks

Citizen187 · Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:00 pm Homosexuality is natural

It occurs in nature, it is therefore natural. If I had a dollar for everytime someone told me it couldn't be because if everyone was gay humans wouldn't exist I could pay off my college loan 97 times over (it wasn't a huge loan, but still). If everyone was a man, the species wouldn't exist either, does that make not being hermaphroditic unnatural? No it does not.

XRichX · Wed May 02, 2007 3:00 pm

yeah i agree, it isn't their fault that they like the same sex, if thats what they like then just let them do it to be frank, i cant see how most people can say it isn't.

agentkgb · Wed May 02, 2007 7:53 pm

XRichX wrote: it isn't their fault that they like the same sex,
citizen will see that, but before he says it, I would argue it's not a fault, it's just how they are, not a good thing not a bad thing.

Citizen187 · Wed May 02, 2007 9:00 pm

Meh, "fault" does have connotations of something being negative. I might say that it's not your fault you're straight (I won't say that, I don't think it makes sense, but I could ;) ).

Roy's Our Boy · Mon May 07, 2007 3:03 am

So is killing.

Bob Frankenberry · Mon May 07, 2007 3:14 am

Roy's Our Boy wrote: So is killing.

And this will lead into a "choosing not to kill is also natural" statement.

That will lead into a "Well, so is being a homosexual" statement from you, I can assume.

Which will fall into a large argument that will end with no point being proved.

There. I saved you all several posts.

Roy's Our Boy · Mon May 07, 2007 3:24 am

Actually, I am expecting: "Being gay is not like murder!"

Bob Frankenberry · Mon May 07, 2007 3:26 am

Roy's Our Boy wrote: Actually, I am expecting: "Being gay is not like murder!"

There is that statement as well.

Houndstooth · Mon May 07, 2007 3:32 am

Where does it occur in nature?

Roy's Our Boy · Mon May 07, 2007 3:33 am

Bob Frankenberry wrote: Which will fall into a large argument that will end with no point being proved.

There. I saved you all several posts.

Then again, most end as such. But if not for the arguments, despite futility, then we would not be graced by this very forum.

I also consume your product every Halloween. Though I enjoy Boo Berry slightly more.

Bob Frankenberry · Mon May 07, 2007 3:38 am

Houndstooth wrote: Where does it occur in nature?

National Geographic.com wrote:
Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate
James Owen in London
for National Geographic News
July 23, 2004

[...]

Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.

Wild birds exhibit similar behavior. There are male ostriches that only court their own gender, and pairs of male flamingos that mate, build nests, and even raise foster chicks.

Filmmakers recently went in search of homosexual wild animals as part of a National Geographic Ultimate Explorer documentary about the female's role in the mating game. (The film, Girl Power, will be screened in the U.S this Saturday at 8 p.m. ET, 5 p.m PT on MSNBC TV.)

[...]

For a few instances.

Houndstooth · Mon May 07, 2007 3:40 am

I have an elaborate theory for why such occurrences may exist that also involves weather and other assorted items.

Yeah, I've read the animals-are-sometimes-homosexual stuff and I understand the conclusions drawn from such findings. I still believe homosexuality is wrong.

Bob Frankenberry · Mon May 07, 2007 3:44 am

Houndstooth wrote: I have an elaborate theory for why such occurrences may exist that also involves weather and other assorted items.

Yeah, I've read the animals-are-sometimes-homosexual stuff and I understand the conclusions drawn from such findings. I still believe homosexuality is wrong.

That's fine. Think it's wrong, no one says you can't think about things. But don't disregard evidence suggesting that it's found in nature, regardless of what your theory may be.

Roy's Our Boy · Mon May 07, 2007 3:49 am

I must have missed the day we started using animal behavior as a justification for our own.

Bob Frankenberry · Mon May 07, 2007 3:50 am

Roy's Our Boy wrote: I must have missed the day we started using animal behavior as a justification for our own.

I must have missed the part where I was addressing that.

Roy's Our Boy · Mon May 07, 2007 3:52 am

I must have missed the part where I was addressing you in particular.

Bob Frankenberry · Mon May 07, 2007 3:54 am

Roy's Our Boy wrote: I must have missed the part where I was addressing you in particular.

I apologize for my statement, then.

Houndstooth · Mon May 07, 2007 2:50 pm

Bob Frankenberry wrote: Houndstooth wrote: I have an elaborate theory for why such occurrences may exist that also involves weather and other assorted items.

Yeah, I've read the animals-are-sometimes-homosexual stuff and I understand the conclusions drawn from such findings. I still believe homosexuality is wrong.

That's fine. Think it's wrong, no one says you can't think about things. But don't disregard evidence suggesting that it's found in nature, regardless of what your theory may be. Thank you for the caution, but my theory involves all suggestions and proof of animal homosexuality. I'm not ignoring it.

Ekaf · Mon May 07, 2007 9:24 pm

I don't really see the point in debating whether it's natural or not. Being natural or unnatural doesn't make anything right or wrong, it shouldn't determine policy. As a separate issue i guess you could debate it just for the hell of it, but it's irrelevant to the issue of gay rights. It's not like we prohibit glasses because naturally people who require glasses can't see well enough.

Roy's Our Boy · Tue May 08, 2007 1:36 am

Roy's Our Boy wrote: I must have missed the day we started using animal behavior as a justification for our own.